We have Tenants that are GOING to Hell!

by John
(Oregon)

(Hopefully).


What do you do when....

1. Our tenants won't pay rent, but they will pay for electricity, cable and water.

2. Police made a bust, finding meth, meth users, and stolen property from all over the neighborhood in our house; but since the jails are full, they are just left there.

3. They have been using and sold most of our belongings that were put away in the attic in the house.

4. They have smashed doors and ceilings and left who knows what kind of stains underneath the trash heaps they've created in every room.

5. Your rental property is in Oregon where there is no such thing as an emergency eviction, all laws help tenants and not landlords, and a month is the soonest they can be moved out if all paper work goes according to plan given the situation.

6. Your tenants, after eviction, won't pay a dime for any damages or past rent, even though they broke every single clause in the contract and committed felonies.

We just got a lawyer, but everyone says there's no way we'll see any money.
These people are just using and abusing us and society. What do you do if the justice system allows this sort of behavior? Is there any way to take revenge?

Thanks for having this site.

Sincerely, very upset, last time landlord.


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Jan 09, 2012
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I'm sorry you feel that way
by: Elizabeth Elwell-Cook

Dear Elizabeth,

I'm not sure what you're referring to specifically, but I am sorry you feel this way about my work.

Please understand that all I can share are ideas and anecdotes I have in my experience, which MAY (and I stress MAY) help people to resolve an issue. I won't recommend anything illegal!

There is a solution to most problems. I may not have the exact one, but this is an open forum.

You're entitled to feel that what I have said is unprofessional, but what I would prefer is for our readers to see if you have any constructive (and legal) ideas to help them resolve a problem satisfactorily.

As you can see, this person was in some distress. I pulled out as many ideas as I could to try to give him something to work with. Other suggestions are welcome, as always!

Yours Kindly,
Elizabeth.

Jul 27, 2011
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Why would you say this?
by: Elizabeth

Internet ruins people. This is so unprofessional.

Feb 26, 2011
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Beware of knowing the tenants, too...
by: Elizabeth Elwell-Cook

I'm glad I managed to give you some encouragement to keep going!

My offer to help you set up a page on this site for landlords in the same position as you in Oregon stands, or if what you're talking about is an existing association, then they're also welcome to advertise here. I will link off this page to a (new) special section for landlords needing support if you want to kick this off.

Just one thing (and this goes for everyone): knowing the tenants personally can be good, and it can be bad.

This is why I suggested the church idea. Nothing wrong with getting to know them later, but when you've known them for years, and things go wrong, you can find yourself being used when things go wrong (they get behind in their rent etc). You can lose the tenant, and the friend...

Just a thought.

Feb 26, 2011
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Thanks for the Responses!
by: Anonymous


I really like your idea of getting other landlords together to change the law. We just learned that there are 50 other landlords in the county that are suffering the same thing we are going through! What??? Why don't we know of this? There's no communication about the fact that these leeches are just going from house to house, rent free.

I also really like the idea of finding people who, although can't pay, could fix up the house...though the funny thing is, that the guy we have living there now was working at Home Depot when we signed the contract with him and said he'd be happy to help update things. Unfortunately, he got laid off and turned out to be a psychopath. That's the scariest thing, that people can appear so normal and nice, but they actually are selfish bastards.

The bottom line is, to know EXACTLY who your tenants are. Going through the church is a good idea, but for the future (if there is one), to do background checks, and actually knowing them would be best.

Also, I recommend taking photos of EVERYTHING before hand. And also making sure whatever belongings you have, to make sure it's written in the contract and what they can and can't do with it (even though, according to Oregon law, they'll do whatever they want and get away with it anyways).

Thank you for your advice and encouragement. We will fix up the house, but we'll take EXTREME measures to ensure the next time we have tenants, that they'll have a soul.

On another note, if you come across any creative ideas on seeking revenge after this is all over, I'd be very much interested.

Thanks again,
John









Feb 25, 2011
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How to read that last (long) message)
by: Elizabeth Elwell-Cook

You'll have to read the last three comments (from me) backwards, starting with the one at the bottom of the page. I hadn't quite bargained on my comments needing more than 3000 characters to answer your question!

Sorry for the inconvenience!

Feb 25, 2011
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Turn the horror into something good, if you can.
by: Elizabeth Elwell-Cook

Another thing you might consider is something that an Australian friend did when he decided to invest overseas - in Detroit.

In order to find good tenants, he asked for the local churches to find him reliable tenants who were in need of a home, out of work, and had building skills.

After vetting them all, he found a family of five who had lost their jobs and homes in the Financial Crisis. The father was a builder, and in exchange for six or twelve months free rent, he got his other unemployed tradesman friends together to help renovate the house instead.

They now use that house as a showcase for their work, and run a business doing repairs and renovations on rundown houses. The owner of the property now gets better rent than he could have hoped for. The value of the property has gone up (rental and capital), the builder has bought his own house and has tons of work - doing a lot of it to help the same landlord who was so impressed, he did it again, and again... and will keep on doing it as long as he can!

I wish you the best of luck, John, and please stay in touch!

Feb 25, 2011
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Turn the horror into something good, if you can.
by: Elizabeth Elwell-Cook

While you can't necessarily take revenge, you CAN take action to get the laws changed. Contact your local political representatives, the Attorney's Department - anywhere you can go to get to someone who can make a change.

Start a group for landlords in similar positions to yourself. The weight of numbers will help you to get the laws changed, in time. I'll even work with you to put a free page on the "Investing Clubs" pages of this site - where you can send people to get contact details. Do email me if you like this idea!

Also: you may have lost a great deal in possessions and damages, but it IS still possible for you to turn this around. Clean everything out. Renovate (there are lots of affordable options right here on this site).

Sell the property in Oregon if you can and try to pick up something in a nearby state with better tenancy protection laws.

Don't let this make you afraid to look further afield for investment returns. (Or as we say in Australia "Don't let the bastards get you down!").

(cont'd)

Feb 25, 2011
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Turn the horror into something good, if you can.
by: Elizabeth Elwell-Cook

Dear John,

What a terrible story! I feel for you, and I am sure our readers do too.

Unfortunately, because I live in Australia, I know nothing of the tenancy laws in Oregon, USA. However, this should be a cautionary tale to anyone wishing to invest in property in Oregon, so thank you for sharing information that I could not have known about previously!

What can you do?

From the sounds of it, you are tied by the terrible condition of the laws in your state, but I do have a few ideas, and you shouldn't give up entirely on property investment!

Is it still possible, because of these laws, to get landlords insurance in Oregon? I have a page about this on the site: Check our site map for a direct link, or it's filed under the "Property Investing Tips" section.

It seems strange that your tenants are paying the utilities, but not the rent (I suppose they need those to make the drugs?). Is this something that helps them keep a tenancy there, even if they don't pay the rent?

There must be some form of higher authority to get these people arrested. I am staggered the police have done nothing.

For all our readers: Unless you have insurance on your contents, even leaving old furniture in the attic is not a safe option for things you care about. I have lived in rental properties where the landlord had storage underneath or in a shed, and while I would never dream of breaking in, plenty more people would do more than dream: they would!

Never simply assume that your landlords insurance will cover things you've stored either: you must ask them (and any other insurance companies covering the house) if such things are covered.

Even in Australia where the tenancy laws are reasonably fair for both sides (never perfect, but you might like to look them up for reference - I have linked to them from some of the tenancy pages here), and it is hard to remove people immediately, unless they are arrested. Clearly no help from the police in your case...

Please, John, don't give up.

(cont'd)




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